Comments on: The Disconnect Between Liberal Aspirations And Liberal Housing Policy Is Killing Coastal U.S. Cities https://marketurbanism.com/2017/01/27/the-disconnect-between-liberal-aspirations-and-liberal-housing-policy-is-killing-coastal-u-s-cities/ Liberalizing cities | From the bottom up Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:30:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.1 By: hikertom https://marketurbanism.com/2017/01/27/the-disconnect-between-liberal-aspirations-and-liberal-housing-policy-is-killing-coastal-u-s-cities/#comment-21903 Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:55:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=7747#comment-21903 Housing cost is a function of supply and demand. There is more competition for housing in the more desirable cities, which drives up prices.

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By: Standard Salvage https://marketurbanism.com/2017/01/27/the-disconnect-between-liberal-aspirations-and-liberal-housing-policy-is-killing-coastal-u-s-cities/#comment-21900 Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:04:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=7747#comment-21900 Capitalism is not fair. Sorry….

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By: Theodore https://marketurbanism.com/2017/01/27/the-disconnect-between-liberal-aspirations-and-liberal-housing-policy-is-killing-coastal-u-s-cities/#comment-21694 Sat, 01 Apr 2017 03:17:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=7747#comment-21694 That’s not a great choice. The already developed land has room for many multiples of the current population, if only the zoning allowed it and the planning process made it possible to do so. We don’t need to expand in area to build more housing. In the Bay Area, the consensus is that urban sprawl is a bad thing, so we would rather not do that.

The empty land is not empty. To develop there, we would need to tear down the trees and pave over the land, reducing the drainage and increasing the chance of floods. In the Bay Area, the consensus is that climate change is a bad thing caused by humans, so we would rather not do that.

It’s quite some distance from the existing transit lines, so we would suffer even more traffic and large expenses to bring the trains there.

The big public relations problem is that too many people cannot think of life without a car. We need to convince them that we don’t need cars, so we can build more housing without destroying any more wilderness anywhere.

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By: Dedangelo https://marketurbanism.com/2017/01/27/the-disconnect-between-liberal-aspirations-and-liberal-housing-policy-is-killing-coastal-u-s-cities/#comment-21639 Wed, 08 Mar 2017 01:30:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=7747#comment-21639 Overall good critique with one exception. I’d hesitate before naming Phoenix as some kind of affordable housing vanguard. Climate change – made worse via destruction of a fragile desert ecosystem, exacerbating the heat island effect in favor of that $200,000 stucco shack in the ‘burbs – is making the place unlivable. After 32 years, I left for Denver 3 years ago just to get out of the blast furnace (to say nothing of the politics). The week I left, it was 122 degrees.

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By: H Richard Collins https://marketurbanism.com/2017/01/27/the-disconnect-between-liberal-aspirations-and-liberal-housing-policy-is-killing-coastal-u-s-cities/#comment-21585 Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:32:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=7747#comment-21585 Build on all this empty land on the SF Bay peninsula: https://www.google.com/maps/place/San+Francisco,+CA/@37.5292382,-122.4395474,24151m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x80859a6d00690021:0x4a501367f076adff!8m2!3d37.7707147!4d-122.409668

Go to the satellite view

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By: Environment roundup - Overlawyered https://marketurbanism.com/2017/01/27/the-disconnect-between-liberal-aspirations-and-liberal-housing-policy-is-killing-coastal-u-s-cities/#comment-21584 Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:30:14 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=7747#comment-21584 […] Between Liberal Aspirations And Liberal Housing Policy Is Killing Coastal U.S. Cities” [Shane D. Phillips] “California Housing Crunch Prompts Push to Allow Building” [Chris Kirkham, […]

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By: Hidden Name https://marketurbanism.com/2017/01/27/the-disconnect-between-liberal-aspirations-and-liberal-housing-policy-is-killing-coastal-u-s-cities/#comment-21555 Thu, 02 Feb 2017 07:37:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=7747#comment-21555 Why is so little done to support the tenuous assumptions this article is based on? Namely that Atlanta and Houston are conservative particularly because of how their state voted. I just don’t see how you spend a whole article talking about city policy, then base your generalizations primarily on the state. There’s casual discussion that Houston has more permissive housing that LA, but no comprehensive or numerical approximation of an index of housing policy presented.

Additionally, with so much talk about and appreciate for issues related to density, there’s no mention of the relative density of cities, or whether these figures are based on city centers, include suburban areas or even rural areas as some areas are drawn — some cities are essentially giant suburban sprawls, while others are heavily concentrated.

There’s also not even mention of the baseline of affordability in different cities. Surely the change in affordability from 2006-2013 is interesting and relevant, but nobody believes rents and incomes are entirely divorced. If you believe they are tied together even partially, you need to know the overall rate, not just the change — it’s possible that Miami has a stagnant ratio because it’s already maximally burdensome, etc.

To an extent, you are preaching to the choir for me — I had the same view against restrictive housing policy in NYC, LA, etc. before I even started reading the article. Maybe because I was already familiar with the message though, I gained little from the facts and figures presented — the backing for the message presented seemed extremely weak.

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By: JustJake https://marketurbanism.com/2017/01/27/the-disconnect-between-liberal-aspirations-and-liberal-housing-policy-is-killing-coastal-u-s-cities/#comment-21553 Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:08:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=7747#comment-21553 Straight from the horses mouth: using “surveys” “we developed econometric models of demand for energy, transportation, food, goods, and services that were used to derive”

It’s a modeled calculation. It’s not a measurement of any reality.

http://coolclimate.berkeley.edu/maps

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