Comments on: Video: Sandy Ikeda on The Unintended Consequences of “Smart Growth” https://marketurbanism.com/2009/12/13/video-sandy-ikeda-on-the-unintended-consequences-of-smart-growth/ Liberalizing cities | From the bottom up Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:30:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.1 By: Daniel https://marketurbanism.com/2009/12/13/video-sandy-ikeda-on-the-unintended-consequences-of-smart-growth/#comment-6677 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 03:09:24 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1262#comment-6677 Libertarian, I believe too much that individuals can solve all the problems but likely to have suboptimal results. Of course, the other side which is government intervention and coercion tend to have just the same results. My view point has been that with proper regulation, to make thing 'Regular' and not 'Restrictive', that properly reward individuals who invest their capital will create the best results.

]]>
By: MarketUrbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2009/12/13/video-sandy-ikeda-on-the-unintended-consequences-of-smart-growth/#comment-6621 Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:04:13 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1262#comment-6621 Sandy commented on the video at thinkmarkets here:

http://thinkmarkets.wordpress.com/2009/12/21/th

]]>
By: benjaminhemric https://marketurbanism.com/2009/12/13/video-sandy-ikeda-on-the-unintended-consequences-of-smart-growth/#comment-6619 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:25:27 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1262#comment-6619 Re: the meaning of the words “planning” and “planner” in the context of urbanism

Re: confusion over the word “planning” (and “planner”) in the context of urbanism

Market Urbanism (Adam) —

I look forward to your essay!

I don’t know if you had a chance to look at it, but there was a related discussion over on Daniel’s “Discovering Urbanism” blog. Daniel’s original post is entitled “My working definition of Planning,” dated November 18, 2009. My comments in the thread are from 11/21/09 and are currently the last three. (My three comments are really only one post that I broke up into three parts in order to get by the software’s word limit. But it really isn’t that long.)

To paraphrase my comments there, it seems to me that, in the English language as it is used today, there is currently no “neutral” term to denote the study of cities that does not also imply that cities are to be, at least to some significant extent (“comprehensively”) “planned.” Our current lexicon presumes that, in studying cities, people are also in favor of (“comprehensively”) planning them – in the sense that people who study cities are interested in city “planning,” and the word “planning,” as it is used in the field, also essentially means some form of “comprehensive” planning. (I think it’s fair to say that it does not mean market urbanism.)

In my comment, I point out that the same is not true with regard to our language and the study of economies. The field of economics is not called economic planning; and the people who study economics are NOT necessarily called economic planners. Instead, with regard to the field of economics our language has “neutral” words like “economics” and “economists.” And economics and economists can be either for (“comprehensive”) economic planning or against it (and those economists who are against comprehensive economic planning can favor relatively modest monetary interventions, instead, for example).

Here’s the URL:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=507929

P.S. — It's back! (I'm referring to the New Comment box that allows you to see only two lines at a time.) But since I'm typing from yet a different PC, perhaps it has to do with the settings of the PC's rather than the blog?

Sat. 12/19/09 – 11:25 p.m.

]]>
By: sidburgess https://marketurbanism.com/2009/12/13/video-sandy-ikeda-on-the-unintended-consequences-of-smart-growth/#comment-6617 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 08:04:23 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1262#comment-6617 I would very much like that. Next time you are in OKC, let's do it. 🙂

I would also love to visit with you just to hear about journey. I was once very libertarian and then I tried getting anything done and found the whole movement was failing miserably. The irony is, libertarians (including myself for time) couldn't grasp the concept of voluntary grouping of people to form cities. What naturally follows is where I had to part my ways. I see nothing wrong with those voluntary groups creating rules and asking those who live “among them” to abide by them. Society rules are considered vital to our advancement as a society and I find nothing wrong with it.

It is tempting to jump on a train to come up for that beer. I really would love to hear your thoughts.

]]>
By: MarketUrbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2009/12/13/video-sandy-ikeda-on-the-unintended-consequences-of-smart-growth/#comment-6616 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:58:09 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1262#comment-6616 Regarding roads, I too would want to avoid corporatism. But, if the gov't
could get out of the way, competition would certainly beat the current
monopoly. Perhaps the question for another post is, what's worse for
roads: corporatism or monopoly? In some ways the options are nearly
identical the government is calling the shots either way – its the
difference between socialism and fascism…

After years of mulling these ideas over and questioning my assumptions, I
have come to disagree with your thoughts on government- even after most of
my life agreeing almost completely with what you are saying. But, that's a
topic beyond the scope of this blog. Maybe if we ever have the chance to
meet for a beer…

]]>
By: MarketUrbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2009/12/13/video-sandy-ikeda-on-the-unintended-consequences-of-smart-growth/#comment-6618 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:45:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1262#comment-6618 great response benjamin. I actually have a post that has been a draft for about a year that discusses some similar cocepts. I plan to try to wrap that up and get it posted since it is timely to this discussion.

]]>
By: sidburgess https://marketurbanism.com/2009/12/13/video-sandy-ikeda-on-the-unintended-consequences-of-smart-growth/#comment-6615 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:22:38 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1262#comment-6615 Oh I hear ya… I just need to see some hard evidence it can be handled well. It is like privatizing the roads. It sounds wonderful in theory, but as much of a fan of the market as I am, I am also very worried about corporatism. Looking for a balance. I am absolutely apposed to anarchy. It is too easy to disprove it as a viable option. It always leads to some form of feudalism. And so long as humans are going to faction up, I would prefer to have the right to control that faction in some way. As an elected official, I acted as a balancing mechanism. A citizen watchdog to ensure that the very system that we propped up, wasn't going to grab for more power. Perhaps in the end, I am much more content with Athenian democracy than what our founders envisioned (republic with a taste of Aristocracy). The two aren't far apart but the Republic at least attempts to level the playing field against those with money.

Well, not wanting to high-jack the topic of the post. It was a neat interview.

]]>
By: MarketUrbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2009/12/13/video-sandy-ikeda-on-the-unintended-consequences-of-smart-growth/#comment-6614 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:58:05 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1262#comment-6614 Its not bad by default, but it starts to break down as an efficient and effective means of coordination as it gets too big and cannot support the weight of its own bureaucracy.

The problem with the examples you gave, is that it is nearly impossible to imagine the market-based counter factual because it was not allowed to emerge. It would be interesting to compare those examples with a market-based approach such as the growth of the internet, cellular phones networks, and railroad networks.

]]>