Comments on: Rothbard the Urbanist Part 1: Public Education’s Role in Sprawl and Exclusion https://marketurbanism.com/2009/05/04/public-educations-role-in-sprawl-and-exclusion/ Liberalizing cities | From the bottom up Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:30:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.1 By: longacre5732@mail.ru https://marketurbanism.com/2009/05/04/public-educations-role-in-sprawl-and-exclusion/#comment-21424 Sat, 22 Oct 2016 12:13:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1043#comment-21424 It’s a wonderful article and great discussion. I am in no way competent enough to “jump in” and make a very solid case one way or the other. But I was home schooled and so I have I always thought the voucher system is the fairer way to fund a school. It always seemed that any performance based model for financing schools would be superior..

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By: Poniéndole Precio a la vialidad – The Urbanist Part 7 | SalvoLomas https://marketurbanism.com/2009/05/04/public-educations-role-in-sprawl-and-exclusion/#comment-21071 Sat, 16 Apr 2016 22:14:40 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1043#comment-21071 […] Rothbard the Urbanist Part 1: Public Education’s Role in Sprawl and Exclusion […]

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By: hcat https://marketurbanism.com/2009/05/04/public-educations-role-in-sprawl-and-exclusion/#comment-21014 Fri, 25 Mar 2016 19:55:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1043#comment-21014 That’s a fascinating story. It deserves to be better known.

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By: hcat https://marketurbanism.com/2009/05/04/public-educations-role-in-sprawl-and-exclusion/#comment-21013 Fri, 25 Mar 2016 19:52:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1043#comment-21013 These people favor vouchers and tax credits, and the “home voters” don’t like them.

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By: hcat https://marketurbanism.com/2009/05/04/public-educations-role-in-sprawl-and-exclusion/#comment-21012 Fri, 25 Mar 2016 19:49:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1043#comment-21012 I don’t want sociopaths, but it is a sin to profile a group because it has slightly more sociopaths. Inherited wealth folks, of whom I am one, have more sociopaths than the middle class, too. I think “incomism” is a more serious problem than racism nowadays.

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By: Attack the System » Blog Archive » Updated News Digest June 7, 2009 https://marketurbanism.com/2009/05/04/public-educations-role-in-sprawl-and-exclusion/#comment-6186 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:21:48 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1043#comment-6186 […] Public Education’s Role in Sprawl and Exclusion by Murray Rothbard […]

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By: Sid Burgess https://marketurbanism.com/2009/05/04/public-educations-role-in-sprawl-and-exclusion/#comment-6065 Mon, 25 May 2009 06:12:40 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1043#comment-6065 Great article and great discussion. I am in no way competent enough to “jump in” and make a very solid case one way or the other…but I was home schooled and so I have I always thought the voucher system is the fairer way to fund a school. It always seemed that any performance based model for financing schools would be superior.

Bill, I have wondered why Public Schools still exist when alternatives have been thoroughly vetted. (If there were no government schools we would surly see a drastic rise in those choices) I once thought that perhaps it was because the community has a fiscal incentive to ensure their citizens ‘grow up smart’. Ergo, smarter people would equal higher taxes. So perhaps they believe other institutions couldn’t be “trusted” with such an important, albeit economic, responsibility. But that to me sounds more like an incentive to demand better performance in our schools.

All I hear is how underfunded they are, not how poor they perform.

I wonder if responsibility arises somewhat from the fact that our schools are not funded completely by local cities. The Department of Education at the federal and state levels have a lot to do with how much funding individual school districts receive as well as the curriculum used. If local governments were responsible for funding 100% would we see far more efficiency? Wouldn’t we see more attention paid to the quality of the education? It seems parents could actually make a difference in their child’s education that way.

Another idea I have contemplated… Could cities or school districts simply get vouchers? In other words, a school district receive funds from the state/fed but is not told how to spend that money, except to pay for educating their citizens. When the federal government was trying to encourage the building of highways, they offered a 92% federal match. All the cities responded by ceasing to fund streetcars, buses, etc. and instead built highways at the cost of only $.08 on the dollar, all cities except for one that is – Portland. They convinced the highway administration to allow them to use the funds for alternative kinds of transportation. It is pretty fair to say that it has paid off for them.

In the same way, would providing school districts with funding but with the ability to fund “alternatives” but still conduct business within the parameters of federally approved projects (just like Portland had to get approval for theirs) create an atmosphere of competition without disrupting the whole tax system?

Don’t get me wrong, I am not an advocate for government schools. My experience as a city councilman taught me the valuable lesson of eating an elephant one bite at a time. I do believe we can solve our education “crisis” in America but it will take us being willing to make small gradual changes, and for us to become willing to try new ideas. Subsequently, like in the case of Portland, we must also allow some cities to make good decisions and others poorer ones, even if most cities make the poor choice at first. Making the system more free in the long run will always improve it.

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By: Sid Burgess https://marketurbanism.com/2009/05/04/public-educations-role-in-sprawl-and-exclusion/#comment-8873 Mon, 25 May 2009 06:12:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=1043#comment-8873 Great article and great discussion. I am in no way competent enough to “jump in” and make a very solid case one way or the other…but I was home schooled and so I have I always thought the voucher system is the fairer way to fund a school. It always seemed that any performance based model for financing schools would be superior.

Bill, I have wondered why Public Schools still exist when alternatives have been thoroughly vetted. (If there were no government schools we would surly see a drastic rise in those choices) I once thought that perhaps it was because the community has a fiscal incentive to ensure their citizens ‘grow up smart’. Ergo, smarter people would equal higher taxes. So perhaps they believe other institutions couldn’t be “trusted” with such an important, albeit economic, responsibility. But that to me sounds more like an incentive to demand better performance in our schools.

All I hear is how underfunded they are, not how poor they perform.

I wonder if responsibility arises somewhat from the fact that our schools are not funded completely by local cities. The Department of Education at the federal and state levels have a lot to do with how much funding individual school districts receive as well as the curriculum used. If local governments were responsible for funding 100% would we see far more efficiency? Wouldn’t we see more attention paid to the quality of the education? It seems parents could actually make a difference in their child’s education that way.

Another idea I have contemplated… Could cities or school districts simply get vouchers? In other words, a school district receive funds from the state/fed but is not told how to spend that money, except to pay for educating their citizens. When the federal government was trying to encourage the building of highways, they offered a 92% federal match. All the cities responded by ceasing to fund streetcars, buses, etc. and instead built highways at the cost of only $.08 on the dollar, all cities except for one that is – Portland. They convinced the highway administration to allow them to use the funds for alternative kinds of transportation. It is pretty fair to say that it has paid off for them.

In the same way, would providing school districts with funding but with the ability to fund “alternatives” but still conduct business within the parameters of federally approved projects (just like Portland had to get approval for theirs) create an atmosphere of competition without disrupting the whole tax system?

Don’t get me wrong, I am not an advocate for government schools. My experience as a city councilman taught me the valuable lesson of eating an elephant one bite at a time. I do believe we can solve our education “crisis” in America but it will take us being willing to make small gradual changes, and for us to become willing to try new ideas. Subsequently, like in the case of Portland, we must also allow some cities to make good decisions and others poorer ones, even if most cities make the poor choice at first. Making the system more free in the long run will always improve it.

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