Comments on: Cul-de-sacs – Privatize ’em https://marketurbanism.com/2008/11/18/cul-de-sacs-privatize-em/ Liberalizing cities | From the bottom up Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:30:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.1 By: UrbanRio https://marketurbanism.com/2008/11/18/cul-de-sacs-privatize-em/#comment-2878 Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:17:27 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=488#comment-2878 “Private” roads are not a new idea. Many subdivisions are built with private roads that are maintained by the HOA or some other neighborhood funded body.

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By: UrbanRio https://marketurbanism.com/2008/11/18/cul-de-sacs-privatize-em/#comment-8673 Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:17:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=488#comment-8673 “Private” roads are not a new idea. Many subdivisions are built with private roads that are maintained by the HOA or some other neighborhood funded body.

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By: UrbanRio https://marketurbanism.com/2008/11/18/cul-de-sacs-privatize-em/#comment-8674 Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:17:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=488#comment-8674 “Private” roads are not a new idea. Many subdivisions are built with private roads that are maintained by the HOA or some other neighborhood funded body.

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By: Market Urbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/11/18/cul-de-sacs-privatize-em/#comment-2423 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:21:12 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=488#comment-2423 There are varying definitions of private, but I meant privately owned by some entity (whether it be an individual or cooperative), as opposed to publicly… I do see your point.

When I said “slice” up the land, I meant to infer that it doesn’t necessarily need to be used as a roadway. Perhaps they could agree to divide the former cul-de-sac into pieces and each could use it as a lawn, or whatever each chooses.

Although it probably depends on roads to exist, such a cooperative property would still be adjacent to an existing road at the nearest nodal intersection. Residents probably don’t necessarily need to be mobile with an automobile within the cooperative. Perhaps, it could be developed as a large apartment complex with underground parking. But, property rights would have to be allowed such that the cul-de-sac itself does not need to stay in-tact.

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By: MarketUrbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/11/18/cul-de-sacs-privatize-em/#comment-8670 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:21:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=488#comment-8670 There are varying definitions of private, but I meant privately owned by some entity (whether it be an individual or cooperative), as opposed to publicly… I do see your point.

When I said “slice” up the land, I meant to infer that it doesn’t necessarily need to be used as a roadway. Perhaps they could agree to divide the former cul-de-sac into pieces and each could use it as a lawn, or whatever each chooses.

Although it probably depends on roads to exist, such a cooperative property would still be adjacent to an existing road at the nearest nodal intersection. Residents probably don’t necessarily need to be mobile with an automobile within the cooperative. Perhaps, it could be developed as a large apartment complex with underground parking. But, property rights would have to be allowed such that the cul-de-sac itself does not need to stay in-tact.

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By: MarketUrbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/11/18/cul-de-sacs-privatize-em/#comment-8671 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:21:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=488#comment-8671 There are varying definitions of private, but I meant privately owned by some entity (whether it be an individual or cooperative), as opposed to publicly… I do see your point.

When I said “slice” up the land, I meant to infer that it doesn’t necessarily need to be used as a roadway. Perhaps they could agree to divide the former cul-de-sac into pieces and each could use it as a lawn, or whatever each chooses.

Although it probably depends on roads to exist, such a cooperative property would still be adjacent to an existing road at the nearest nodal intersection. Residents probably don’t necessarily need to be mobile with an automobile within the cooperative. Perhaps, it could be developed as a large apartment complex with underground parking. But, property rights would have to be allowed such that the cul-de-sac itself does not need to stay in-tact.

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By: MarketUrbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/11/18/cul-de-sacs-privatize-em/#comment-8672 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:21:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=488#comment-8672 There are varying definitions of private, but I meant privately owned by some entity (whether it be an individual or cooperative), as opposed to publicly… I do see your point.

When I said “slice” up the land, I meant to infer that it doesn’t necessarily need to be used as a roadway. Perhaps they could agree to divide the former cul-de-sac into pieces and each could use it as a lawn, or whatever each chooses.

Although it probably depends on roads to exist, such a cooperative property would still be adjacent to an existing road at the nearest nodal intersection. Residents probably don’t necessarily need to be mobile with an automobile within the cooperative. Perhaps, it could be developed as a large apartment complex with underground parking. But, property rights would have to be allowed such that the cul-de-sac itself does not need to stay in-tact.

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By: Market Urbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/11/18/cul-de-sacs-privatize-em/#comment-2421 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:57:31 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=488#comment-2421 Thanks for the referrals, Daniel!

You are right that it’s not as simple as just privatizing and deregulating, without re-examining property rights. Without getting into anarchist theories, government probably needs some regulatory role in land use, even in the most free-market setting. This would be necessary to prevent situations like you mention, where one person owns the land surrounding a neighbor. That situation is referred to as “forestalling”, and is considered an act of coercion, even by the staunchest proponents of property rights. At a minimum, I would imagine property rights regulations would have to stipulate that one property owner could not hamper the use of an other’s property through forestalling or other acts of coercion.

Nonetheless, I consider such discussions somewhat utopian in this day and age, but I think it’s worthwhile to liberalize what we can, and shift the dialogue in the direction towards a more free society.

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