Comments on: How to Obscure Reality to Make Planners Seem Important https://marketurbanism.com/2008/06/30/how-to-obscure-reality-to-make-planners-seem-important/ Liberalizing cities | From the bottom up Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:30:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.1 By: Market Urbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/06/30/how-to-obscure-reality-to-make-planners-seem-important/#comment-292 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:38:56 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=130#comment-292 Stephen, I found the econometric equation:

P = alpha – beta*F – gamma*f
F = FAR of subject’s lot
f = FAR of neighbors [an externality]
beta = marginal impact of own FAR on price
gamma = marginal impact of neighbor FAR
alpha = all other location factors

alpha, beta and gamma are typically derived through hedonic regression. Neighbor’s FAR (gamma) is almost always a negative externality. So, you can see that a NIMBY can improve his own property value through keeping F low by protesting new development. They aren’t as irrational as they seem…

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By: MarketUrbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/06/30/how-to-obscure-reality-to-make-planners-seem-important/#comment-8509 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:38:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=130#comment-8509 Stephen, I found the econometric equation:

P = alpha – beta*F – gamma*f
F = FAR of subject’s lot
f = FAR of neighbors [an externality]
beta = marginal impact of own FAR on price
gamma = marginal impact of neighbor FAR
alpha = all other location factors

alpha, beta and gamma are typically derived through hedonic regression. Neighbor’s FAR (gamma) is almost always a negative externality. So, you can see that a NIMBY can improve his own property value through keeping F low by protesting new development. They aren’t as irrational as they seem…

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By: Bill Nelson https://marketurbanism.com/2008/06/30/how-to-obscure-reality-to-make-planners-seem-important/#comment-279 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:31:56 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=130#comment-279 A huge point, completely ignored in the article, is that, under the direction of “planners” and “experts”, The Rockaways have been a huge mess for years:

1. Not 500 feet from the Beach 44th Street subway station, the huge beach and boardwalk on the Atlantic Ocean is completely deserted, year-round. (Is there any other place in the world like this?)

2. For decades (perhaps forty years now), the area has reverted to nature with weed-filled lots occupying oceanfront property.

3. The only signs of life are in the hideous public housing projects, located further inland.

4. Some new housing is finally being built, but only after a generation of bureaucratic delays.

Is there any way that private unregulated real-estate markets could have resulted in a worse outcome?

Also, be it in the Rockaways or anywhere else, there seems to be no understanding that low urban densities result in dreaded “suburban sprawl”. If you don’t build up, then you have to build out.

Meanwhile, in Mumbai

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By: Bill Nelson https://marketurbanism.com/2008/06/30/how-to-obscure-reality-to-make-planners-seem-important/#comment-8508 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:31:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=130#comment-8508 A huge point, completely ignored in the article, is that, under the direction of “planners” and “experts”, The Rockaways have been a huge mess for years:

1. Not 500 feet from the Beach 44th Street subway station, the huge beach and boardwalk on the Atlantic Ocean is completely deserted, year-round. (Is there any other place in the world like this?)

2. For decades (perhaps forty years now), the area has reverted to nature with weed-filled lots occupying oceanfront property.

3. The only signs of life are in the hideous public housing projects, located further inland.

4. Some new housing is finally being built, but only after a generation of bureaucratic delays.

Is there any way that private unregulated real-estate markets could have resulted in a worse outcome?

Also, be it in the Rockaways or anywhere else, there seems to be no understanding that low urban densities result in dreaded “suburban sprawl”. If you don’t build up, then you have to build out.

Meanwhile, in Mumbai

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By: Market Urbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/06/30/how-to-obscure-reality-to-make-planners-seem-important/#comment-278 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:15:20 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=130#comment-278 value of their homes would likely go up, not down, if high density buildings were built in the area

To be precise, the value of the existing dwelling decreases because of the negative externalities involved with sharing the neighborhood with more people. (there are some positive externalities too) Meanwhile, however, the value of the land under the dwelling increases. If there is a drastic shift in demand which causes the value of the land to approach the replacement cost of the building, then it will be a net benefit to the homeowner himself.

So, there often is utility in being a NIMBY. I will dig into my notes tonight and provide the econometric equations to support this.

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By: MarketUrbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/06/30/how-to-obscure-reality-to-make-planners-seem-important/#comment-8507 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:15:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=130#comment-8507 value of their homes would likely go up, not down, if high density buildings were built in the area

To be precise, the value of the existing dwelling decreases because of the negative externalities involved with sharing the neighborhood with more people. (there are some positive externalities too) Meanwhile, however, the value of the land under the dwelling increases. If there is a drastic shift in demand which causes the value of the land to approach the replacement cost of the building, then it will be a net benefit to the homeowner himself.

So, there often is utility in being a NIMBY. I will dig into my notes tonight and provide the econometric equations to support this.

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By: Stephen Smith https://marketurbanism.com/2008/06/30/how-to-obscure-reality-to-make-planners-seem-important/#comment-276 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:34:03 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=130#comment-276 The irony of people wanting to protect their home values is that the value of their homes would likely go up, not down, if high density buildings were built in the area, if for no other reason than that developers would be willing to pay a pretty penny for their house/apartment building so that they can knock it down and build high-end condos. Of course, that is, if the resident has development rights over his property.

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By: Rationalitate https://marketurbanism.com/2008/06/30/how-to-obscure-reality-to-make-planners-seem-important/#comment-8506 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:34:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=130#comment-8506 The irony of people wanting to protect their home values is that the value of their homes would likely go up, not down, if high density buildings were built in the area, if for no other reason than that developers would be willing to pay a pretty penny for their house/apartment building so that they can knock it down and build high-end condos. Of course, that is, if the resident has development rights over his property.

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