Comments on: Bribery for Property Rights: Federal Charges in Chicago https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/ Liberalizing cities | From the bottom up Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:30:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.1 By: Market Urbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-106 Wed, 28 May 2008 17:35:08 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=55#comment-106 I agree that it’s a second-best option, but would worry it gives too much incentive to downzone, or would add costs to projects that are already ‘as-of-right’.

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By: MarketUrbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-8414 Wed, 28 May 2008 17:35:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=55#comment-8414 I agree that it’s a second-best option, but would worry it gives too much incentive to downzone, or would add costs to projects that are already ‘as-of-right’.

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By: Stephen Smith https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-100 Wed, 28 May 2008 06:09:19 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=55#comment-100 It’s a second-best option – the best option would be to get rid of the zoning boards to begin with. It would be a pretty radical shift to start thinking of the zoning board as a profit-making entity, and it would be pretty difficult to keep the boards insulated from NIMBY neighbors. So it’s not very realistic, but it would definitely be better than the current system, where you have to have strong personal connections (usually that’s what it takes to bribe someone) to push your projects through.

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By: Rationalitate https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-8413 Wed, 28 May 2008 06:09:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=55#comment-8413 It’s a second-best option – the best option would be to get rid of the zoning boards to begin with. It would be a pretty radical shift to start thinking of the zoning board as a profit-making entity, and it would be pretty difficult to keep the boards insulated from NIMBY neighbors. So it’s not very realistic, but it would definitely be better than the current system, where you have to have strong personal connections (usually that’s what it takes to bribe someone) to push your projects through.

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By: Market Urbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-96 Mon, 26 May 2008 13:59:21 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=55#comment-96 Aren’t you, in effect, saying that the development rights belong to the municipality until they are bought by the developer?
How would the market price be decided? Would every cubic foot of development rights be for sale? To anyone, or just the owner of the ground?

It would lead to some sort of monopoly-monopoly interaction between the property owner who has a monopoly on the ground and the municipality who has a monopoly on the air.

How wouldn’t it give the municipality the incentive to downzone, in order the sell more rights? Shouldn’t the municipality be forced to pay for all unused air-rights for less dense development?

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By: MarketUrbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-8412 Mon, 26 May 2008 13:59:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=55#comment-8412 Aren’t you, in effect, saying that the development rights belong to the municipality until they are bought by the developer?
How would the market price be decided? Would every cubic foot of development rights be for sale? To anyone, or just the owner of the ground?

It would lead to some sort of monopoly-monopoly interaction between the property owner who has a monopoly on the ground and the municipality who has a monopoly on the air.

How wouldn’t it give the municipality the incentive to downzone, in order the sell more rights? Shouldn’t the municipality be forced to pay for all unused air-rights for less dense development?

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By: Stephen Smith https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-95 Mon, 26 May 2008 06:19:55 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=55#comment-95 This is why zoning boards ought to accept cash payments for the changing of zoning laws. Jonathan Levine describes something like that in his book Zoned Out as an example of Coasean endowment-irrelevance with regards to zoning rights. If zoning rights are tradable (and municipalities act like private corporations, which is a big if), then it shouldn’t matter what the initial zoning regulations are, since any business will be willing to bid up to the total value of their producer surplus to have the rights changed.

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By: Rationalitate https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-8411 Mon, 26 May 2008 06:19:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=55#comment-8411 This is why zoning boards ought to accept cash payments for the changing of zoning laws. Jonathan Levine describes something like that in his book Zoned Out as an example of Coasean endowment-irrelevance with regards to zoning rights. If zoning rights are tradable (and municipalities act like private corporations, which is a big if), then it shouldn’t matter what the initial zoning regulations are, since any business will be willing to bid up to the total value of their producer surplus to have the rights changed.

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