Comments on: Vending Machine Economics in Japan https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/20/vending-machine-economics/ Liberalizing cities | From the bottom up Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:30:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.1 By: Bill Nelson https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/20/vending-machine-economics/#comment-73 Tue, 20 May 2008 22:57:41 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=50#comment-73 I think that BAMN is take-out only, so that ought to limit the number of panhandlers.

Bay Ridge is a pretty decent place to live, if you can deal with being tethered to the “R” Train. On the upside, I like the Great Wall Supermarket on Ft. Hamilton Pkwy & 68 St — if that counts as being in Bay Ridge.

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By: Bill Nelson https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/20/vending-machine-economics/#comment-8397 Tue, 20 May 2008 22:57:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=50#comment-8397 I think that BAMN is take-out only, so that ought to limit the number of panhandlers.

Bay Ridge is a pretty decent place to live, if you can deal with being tethered to the “R” Train. On the upside, I like the Great Wall Supermarket on Ft. Hamilton Pkwy & 68 St — if that counts as being in Bay Ridge.

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By: Market Urbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/20/vending-machine-economics/#comment-72 Tue, 20 May 2008 18:33:08 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=50#comment-72 Thanks for the link, Bill. Coincidently, I just moved to (almost as dense as Tokyo) Bay Ridge.

I need to check out Bamn. I wonder if panhandlers and homeless will be a problem late at night.

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By: MarketUrbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/20/vending-machine-economics/#comment-8396 Tue, 20 May 2008 18:33:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=50#comment-8396 Thanks for the link, Bill. Coincidently, I just moved to (almost as dense as Tokyo) Bay Ridge.

I need to check out Bamn. I wonder if panhandlers and homeless will be a problem late at night.

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By: Bill Nelson https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/20/vending-machine-economics/#comment-71 Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:28 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=50#comment-71 Actually, I was using square miles, but was probably using a dubious source for my data.

In any event, 35000 / mi^2 is a little more dense than Bay Ridge, or about the same as some parts of Los Angeles. It’s not a crazy high density. Also, my own observations of Japanese cities sort of reminded me of Queens and Los Angeles.

Thank you for the link to BAMN! If banks and airlines can automate, then why not restaurants? Or for that matter, how about drug stores and groceries?

BAMN looks like they took the idea from Horn & Hardart.At the risk of coming across as a Boring Old-Timer, I will say that I recall many unremarkable (though fun) meals at the Horn & Hardart Automats in Manhattan and Brooklyn. Unlike BAMN, they had lots of seating — of the type one might find in a cafeteria.

Also unlike BAMN, they did not cater to the cool kids wearing backwards-facing baseball caps (a breed which of course did not exist then), but were instead mostly for office workers by day, and (from what I remember), many loners in the evening. Eventually, the restaurants became kind of drab, and Horn & Hardart converted their Automats to Burger King franchises.

It will be interesting to see what happens to BAMN in 25years. (Or in 25 months…?)

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By: Bill Nelson https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/20/vending-machine-economics/#comment-8395 Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=50#comment-8395 Actually, I was using square miles, but was probably using a dubious source for my data.

In any event, 35000 / mi^2 is a little more dense than Bay Ridge, or about the same as some parts of Los Angeles. It’s not a crazy high density. Also, my own observations of Japanese cities sort of reminded me of Queens and Los Angeles.

Thank you for the link to BAMN! If banks and airlines can automate, then why not restaurants? Or for that matter, how about drug stores and groceries?

BAMN looks like they took the idea from Horn & Hardart.At the risk of coming across as a Boring Old-Timer, I will say that I recall many unremarkable (though fun) meals at the Horn & Hardart Automats in Manhattan and Brooklyn. Unlike BAMN, they had lots of seating — of the type one might find in a cafeteria.

Also unlike BAMN, they did not cater to the cool kids wearing backwards-facing baseball caps (a breed which of course did not exist then), but were instead mostly for office workers by day, and (from what I remember), many loners in the evening. Eventually, the restaurants became kind of drab, and Horn & Hardart converted their Automats to Burger King franchises.

It will be interesting to see what happens to BAMN in 25years. (Or in 25 months…?)

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By: Market Urbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/20/vending-machine-economics/#comment-69 Tue, 20 May 2008 16:11:19 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=50#comment-69 Bill, I think you got your data in km^2. According to this, Tokyo seems to be about 35,000 per square mile:
http://www.demographia.com/db-tokyo-ward.htm

Which, would make it a 3x the density compared to NYC or Berlin according to this:
http://alain-bertaud.com/images/Average%20Density%20graph.pdf
(35,000 per square mile is about 135/hectare)

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By: MarketUrbanism https://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/20/vending-machine-economics/#comment-8394 Tue, 20 May 2008 16:11:00 +0000 http://www.marketurbanism.com/?p=50#comment-8394 Bill, I think you got your data in km^2. According to this, Tokyo seems to be about 35,000 per square mile:
http://www.demographia.com/db-tokyo-ward.htm

Which, would make it a 3x the density compared to NYC or Berlin according to this:
http://alain-bertaud.com/images/Average%20Density%20graph.pdf
(35,000 per square mile is about 135/hectare)

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