Comments on: Urban[ism] Legend: The Myth of Herbert Hoover http://marketurbanism.com/2009/02/12/urbanism-legends-herbert-hoover/ Urbanism for Capitalists / Capitalism for Urbanists Sun, 20 May 2012 15:18:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Market Urbanism http://marketurbanism.com/2009/02/12/urbanism-legends-herbert-hoover/#comment-4730 Market Urbanism Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:56:28 +0000 http://marketurbanism.com/?p=832#comment-4730 Thanks Robert. I'd consider coding a lesser-evil to zoning, but a step in the right direction. It's good that people are talking about the downsides of zoning, even if they do to promote a less-evil alternative... Thanks Robert. I’d consider coding a lesser-evil to zoning, but a step in the right direction. It’s good that people are talking about the downsides of zoning, even if they do to promote a less-evil alternative…

]]> By: MarketUrbanism http://marketurbanism.com/2009/02/12/urbanism-legends-herbert-hoover/#comment-8811 MarketUrbanism Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:56:00 +0000 http://marketurbanism.com/?p=832#comment-8811 Thanks Robert. I'd consider coding a lesser-evil to zoning, but a step in the right direction. It's good that people are talking about the downsides of zoning, even if they do to promote a less-evil alternative... Thanks Robert. I’d consider coding a lesser-evil to zoning, but a step in the right direction. It’s good that people are talking about the downsides of zoning, even if they do to promote a less-evil alternative…

]]> By: Robert http://marketurbanism.com/2009/02/12/urbanism-legends-herbert-hoover/#comment-4707 Robert Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:42:08 +0000 http://marketurbanism.com/?p=832#comment-4707 Great article, the idea that progressive or popular doctrine lacks a moral or consistent backbone is essential and missing in most political discussions. What interested me the most is the idea of code based zoning and working away from zoning. As a planner working in the public sector and a student of planning at a liberal university there is a dangerous and common assumption that we can fix sprawl and urban issues by using more conventional methods such as zoning and regulation. Currently I am at the point that I disagree with that idea but I have found applied alternatives. This article has inspired me to research into how coding or other deregulated land use methods work. If any of the contributers have any information that would make a great post. Great article, the idea that progressive or popular doctrine lacks a moral or consistent backbone is essential and missing in most political discussions. What interested me the most is the idea of code based zoning and working away from zoning. As a planner working in the public sector and a student of planning at a liberal university there is a dangerous and common assumption that we can fix sprawl and urban issues by using more conventional methods such as zoning and regulation. Currently I am at the point that I disagree with that idea but I have found applied alternatives. This article has inspired me to research into how coding or other deregulated land use methods work. If any of the contributers have any information that would make a great post.

]]> By: Robert http://marketurbanism.com/2009/02/12/urbanism-legends-herbert-hoover/#comment-8810 Robert Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:42:00 +0000 http://marketurbanism.com/?p=832#comment-8810 Great article, the idea that progressive or popular doctrine lacks a moral or consistent backbone is essential and missing in most political discussions. What interested me the most is the idea of code based zoning and working away from zoning. As a planner working in the public sector and a student of planning at a liberal university there is a dangerous and common assumption that we can fix sprawl and urban issues by using more conventional methods such as zoning and regulation. Currently I am at the point that I disagree with that idea but I have found applied alternatives. This article has inspired me to research into how coding or other deregulated land use methods work. If any of the contributers have any information that would make a great post. Great article, the idea that progressive or popular doctrine lacks a moral or consistent backbone is essential and missing in most political discussions. What interested me the most is the idea of code based zoning and working away from zoning. As a planner working in the public sector and a student of planning at a liberal university there is a dangerous and common assumption that we can fix sprawl and urban issues by using more conventional methods such as zoning and regulation. Currently I am at the point that I disagree with that idea but I have found applied alternatives. This article has inspired me to research into how coding or other deregulated land use methods work. If any of the contributers have any information that would make a great post.

]]> By: Market Urbanism http://marketurbanism.com/2009/02/12/urbanism-legends-herbert-hoover/#comment-4458 Market Urbanism Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:47:59 +0000 http://marketurbanism.com/?p=832#comment-4458 Ultimately, progressivism seems to lack any coherent consistency, other than some elitist notion that he/she knows what's best for everyone. This seems to make progressivism vulnerable to criticism by thinking persons. Progressivism once stood for moving people out of cities, but now progressives looks disgust at the suburbs their philisophy had a hand in creating. Moses, Mumford, and Jacobs would each be considered progressive by some, but disdained by others. I just can't find any consistent moral or pragmatic philosophy behind progressivism. Ultimately, progressivism seems to lack any coherent consistency, other than some elitist notion that he/she knows what’s best for everyone. This seems to make progressivism vulnerable to criticism by thinking persons.

Progressivism once stood for moving people out of cities, but now progressives looks disgust at the suburbs their philisophy had a hand in creating.

Moses, Mumford, and Jacobs would each be considered progressive by some, but disdained by others. I just can’t find any consistent moral or pragmatic philosophy behind progressivism.

]]> By: MarketUrbanism http://marketurbanism.com/2009/02/12/urbanism-legends-herbert-hoover/#comment-8809 MarketUrbanism Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:47:00 +0000 http://marketurbanism.com/?p=832#comment-8809 Ultimately, progressivism seems to lack any coherent consistency, other than some elitist notion that he/she knows what's best for everyone. This seems to make progressivism vulnerable to criticism by thinking persons. Progressivism once stood for moving people out of cities, but now progressives looks disgust at the suburbs their philisophy had a hand in creating. Moses, Mumford, and Jacobs would each be considered progressive by some, but disdained by others. I just can't find any consistent moral or pragmatic philosophy behind progressivism. Ultimately, progressivism seems to lack any coherent consistency, other than some elitist notion that he/she knows what’s best for everyone. This seems to make progressivism vulnerable to criticism by thinking persons.

Progressivism once stood for moving people out of cities, but now progressives looks disgust at the suburbs their philisophy had a hand in creating.

Moses, Mumford, and Jacobs would each be considered progressive by some, but disdained by others. I just can’t find any consistent moral or pragmatic philosophy behind progressivism.

]]> By: Market Urbanism http://marketurbanism.com/2009/02/12/urbanism-legends-herbert-hoover/#comment-4457 Market Urbanism Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:24:35 +0000 http://marketurbanism.com/?p=832#comment-4457 I guess that article is less about Hoover, than it is about form-based codes. Form baseed codes seem like a lesser evil to me - compared to conventional zoning. It seems like more of a character code than a density code. But, it's interesting that many planners and new urbanists want to instill a culture upon people - it doesn't seem to different than the religious right's attempt at the imposition of religious morals upon society. (originally a progressive intent too) The same goes for New Urbanists who either seem to have an aesthetic fetish or odd environmental notions that the only efficient use is their form. And thus feel the need to impose those wishes upon society. Nonetheless, I do welcome the parts of the movement that wish to liberalize land-use regulations... I guess that article is less about Hoover, than it is about form-based codes. Form baseed codes seem like a lesser evil to me – compared to conventional zoning.

It seems like more of a character code than a density code. But, it’s interesting that many planners and new urbanists want to instill a culture upon people – it doesn’t seem to different than the religious right’s attempt at the imposition of religious morals upon society. (originally a progressive intent too)

The same goes for New Urbanists who either seem to have an aesthetic fetish or odd environmental notions that the only efficient use is their form. And thus feel the need to impose those wishes upon society. Nonetheless, I do welcome the parts of the movement that wish to liberalize land-use regulations…

]]> By: MarketUrbanism http://marketurbanism.com/2009/02/12/urbanism-legends-herbert-hoover/#comment-8808 MarketUrbanism Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:24:00 +0000 http://marketurbanism.com/?p=832#comment-8808 I guess that article is less about Hoover, than it is about form-based codes. Form baseed codes seem like a lesser evil to me - compared to conventional zoning. It seems like more of a character code than a density code. But, it's interesting that many planners and new urbanists want to instill a culture upon people - it doesn't seem to different than the religious right's attempt at the imposition of religious morals upon society. (originally a progressive intent too) The same goes for New Urbanists who either seem to have an aesthetic fetish or odd environmental notions that the only efficient use is their form. And thus feel the need to impose those wishes upon society. Nonetheless, I do welcome the parts of the movement that wish to liberalize land-use regulations... I guess that article is less about Hoover, than it is about form-based codes. Form baseed codes seem like a lesser evil to me – compared to conventional zoning.

It seems like more of a character code than a density code. But, it’s interesting that many planners and new urbanists want to instill a culture upon people – it doesn’t seem to different than the religious right’s attempt at the imposition of religious morals upon society. (originally a progressive intent too)

The same goes for New Urbanists who either seem to have an aesthetic fetish or odd environmental notions that the only efficient use is their form. And thus feel the need to impose those wishes upon society. Nonetheless, I do welcome the parts of the movement that wish to liberalize land-use regulations…

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