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		<title>By: dustbury.com &#187; Emptiness tax (follow-up)</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2009/01/22/taxing-land-speculation/#comment-4127</link>
		<dc:creator>dustbury.com &#187; Emptiness tax (follow-up)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This Market Urbanism post says that a Hudnut-like scheme would be beneficial in the short run, not so much in the long run:  Speculators essentially hold the land until development is optimal for the site, and all sites cannot optimally [be] built at once. Discouraging speculation drives the land into the hands of developers at cheaper prices than current market prices. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This Market Urbanism post says that a Hudnut-like scheme would be beneficial in the short run, not so much in the long run:  Speculators essentially hold the land until development is optimal for the site, and all sites cannot optimally [be] built at once. Discouraging speculation drives the land into the hands of developers at cheaper prices than current market prices. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Vincent</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2009/01/22/taxing-land-speculation/#comment-4024</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an inherent implementational problem that is likely unsurmountable: taxation in all states is ad valorem that is to say &quot;to value.&quot;  It would be a challenging, legally, to establish an acreage system, whereas many cities in the USA use the land value tax now.

Taxes based on acreage are more common in rural and undeveloped countries; once a cadastre is established the tax is based on value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an inherent implementational problem that is likely unsurmountable: taxation in all states is ad valorem that is to say &#8220;to value.&#8221;  It would be a challenging, legally, to establish an acreage system, whereas many cities in the USA use the land value tax now.</p>
<p>Taxes based on acreage are more common in rural and undeveloped countries; once a cadastre is established the tax is based on value.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Vincent</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2009/01/22/taxing-land-speculation/#comment-8781</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an inherent implementational problem that is likely unsurmountable: taxation in all states is ad valorem that is to say &quot;to value.&quot;  It would be a challenging, legally, to establish an acreage system, whereas many cities in the USA use the land value tax now.

Taxes based on acreage are more common in rural and undeveloped countries; once a cadastre is established the tax is based on value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an inherent implementational problem that is likely unsurmountable: taxation in all states is ad valorem that is to say &#8220;to value.&#8221;  It would be a challenging, legally, to establish an acreage system, whereas many cities in the USA use the land value tax now.</p>
<p>Taxes based on acreage are more common in rural and undeveloped countries; once a cadastre is established the tax is based on value.</p>
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		<title>By: Market Urbanism</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2009/01/22/taxing-land-speculation/#comment-4022</link>
		<dc:creator>Market Urbanism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all of your valuable inputs, LVTfan.

&lt;blockquote&gt;A lot that currently has an obsolete 1- or 2-story building in the middle of the downtown would get redeveloped, and instead of serving 1 street-level tenant, would provide venues for dozens of tenants, some commercial, some residential (depending on the market).  That creates a vibrant marketplace, a walkable community, and the sort of density which supports a high quality frequent-service transportation system.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In the short-run, a tax on speculation would stimulate development.  But, my point is that in the long run, driving out speculation hampers vibrancy.  Although, in the case of LVT used more universally, it seems that the tax would be relatively neutral on speculation.  So far, I can&#039;t think of a downside of LVT. (in concept)

&lt;blockquote&gt;(And by untaxing buildings, we take away the disincentives to developing the land well where the market is seeking development — and that isn’t the farmland! Farmers would benefit: their specialized buildings and equipment are worth more than their land. We’d untax them.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t advocate untaxing buildings.  I was responding to an idea in the context that real estate taxes would be a two-tiered system where one tier would be the traditional and another tier a tax on unused land.  My point was that if there was to be a two tiered system, I would prefer the second tier not single out speculation, but be applied evenly.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I suspect many people aspire to a little house in the suburbs with a lawn and a picket fence … but if we could offer them a modern, affordable home close to their work in a school district they had confidence in, many of them would trade the house and the commute for it. We ought to offer them the option … and it seems to me that Land Value Taxation is the only way we’re going to get there. LVT can lower the selling price of the land, which is a huge component of why urban housing is so expensive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since I have you here, can you please explain the main ways LVT encourages urban land usage as opposed to suburban sprawl?  It seems it would encourage compactness, but I&#039;d like to better understand the mechanisms.  Thanks. 


&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, the land rent would be an ongoing cost, but it would be instead of the taxes on buildings and sales and wages, instead of a supplement to them, as it is now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From what I&#039;ve learned so far, I think I would support an LVT if (and only if) it replaces those other taxes.  Unfortunately, the political likelihood seems very close to zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all of your valuable inputs, LVTfan.</p>
<blockquote><p>A lot that currently has an obsolete 1- or 2-story building in the middle of the downtown would get redeveloped, and instead of serving 1 street-level tenant, would provide venues for dozens of tenants, some commercial, some residential (depending on the market).  That creates a vibrant marketplace, a walkable community, and the sort of density which supports a high quality frequent-service transportation system.</p></blockquote>
<p>In the short-run, a tax on speculation would stimulate development.  But, my point is that in the long run, driving out speculation hampers vibrancy.  Although, in the case of LVT used more universally, it seems that the tax would be relatively neutral on speculation.  So far, I can&#8217;t think of a downside of LVT. (in concept)</p>
<blockquote><p>(And by untaxing buildings, we take away the disincentives to developing the land well where the market is seeking development — and that isn’t the farmland! Farmers would benefit: their specialized buildings and equipment are worth more than their land. We’d untax them.)</p></blockquote>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t advocate untaxing buildings.  I was responding to an idea in the context that real estate taxes would be a two-tiered system where one tier would be the traditional and another tier a tax on unused land.  My point was that if there was to be a two tiered system, I would prefer the second tier not single out speculation, but be applied evenly.</p>
<blockquote><p>I suspect many people aspire to a little house in the suburbs with a lawn and a picket fence … but if we could offer them a modern, affordable home close to their work in a school district they had confidence in, many of them would trade the house and the commute for it. We ought to offer them the option … and it seems to me that Land Value Taxation is the only way we’re going to get there. LVT can lower the selling price of the land, which is a huge component of why urban housing is so expensive.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since I have you here, can you please explain the main ways LVT encourages urban land usage as opposed to suburban sprawl?  It seems it would encourage compactness, but I&#8217;d like to better understand the mechanisms.  Thanks. </p>
<blockquote><p>Yes, the land rent would be an ongoing cost, but it would be instead of the taxes on buildings and sales and wages, instead of a supplement to them, as it is now.</p></blockquote>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve learned so far, I think I would support an LVT if (and only if) it replaces those other taxes.  Unfortunately, the political likelihood seems very close to zero.</p>
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		<title>By: MarketUrbanism</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2009/01/22/taxing-land-speculation/#comment-8780</link>
		<dc:creator>MarketUrbanism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all of your valuable inputs, LVTfan.

&lt;blockquote&gt;A lot that currently has an obsolete 1- or 2-story building in the middle of the downtown would get redeveloped, and instead of serving 1 street-level tenant, would provide venues for dozens of tenants, some commercial, some residential (depending on the market).  That creates a vibrant marketplace, a walkable community, and the sort of density which supports a high quality frequent-service transportation system.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In the short-run, a tax on speculation would stimulate development.  But, my point is that in the long run, driving out speculation hampers vibrancy.  Although, in the case of LVT used more universally, it seems that the tax would be relatively neutral on speculation.  So far, I can&#039;t think of a downside of LVT. (in concept)

&lt;blockquote&gt;(And by untaxing buildings, we take away the disincentives to developing the land well where the market is seeking development — and that isn’t the farmland! Farmers would benefit: their specialized buildings and equipment are worth more than their land. We’d untax them.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t advocate untaxing buildings.  I was responding to an idea in the context that real estate taxes would be a two-tiered system where one tier would be the traditional and another tier a tax on unused land.  My point was that if there was to be a two tiered system, I would prefer the second tier not single out speculation, but be applied evenly.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I suspect many people aspire to a little house in the suburbs with a lawn and a picket fence … but if we could offer them a modern, affordable home close to their work in a school district they had confidence in, many of them would trade the house and the commute for it. We ought to offer them the option … and it seems to me that Land Value Taxation is the only way we’re going to get there. LVT can lower the selling price of the land, which is a huge component of why urban housing is so expensive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since I have you here, can you please explain the main ways LVT encourages urban land usage as opposed to suburban sprawl?  It seems it would encourage compactness, but I&#039;d like to better understand the mechanisms.  Thanks. 


&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, the land rent would be an ongoing cost, but it would be instead of the taxes on buildings and sales and wages, instead of a supplement to them, as it is now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From what I&#039;ve learned so far, I think I would support an LVT if (and only if) it replaces those other taxes.  Unfortunately, the political likelihood seems very close to zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all of your valuable inputs, LVTfan.</p>
<blockquote><p>A lot that currently has an obsolete 1- or 2-story building in the middle of the downtown would get redeveloped, and instead of serving 1 street-level tenant, would provide venues for dozens of tenants, some commercial, some residential (depending on the market).  That creates a vibrant marketplace, a walkable community, and the sort of density which supports a high quality frequent-service transportation system.</p></blockquote>
<p>In the short-run, a tax on speculation would stimulate development.  But, my point is that in the long run, driving out speculation hampers vibrancy.  Although, in the case of LVT used more universally, it seems that the tax would be relatively neutral on speculation.  So far, I can&#8217;t think of a downside of LVT. (in concept)</p>
<blockquote><p>(And by untaxing buildings, we take away the disincentives to developing the land well where the market is seeking development — and that isn’t the farmland! Farmers would benefit: their specialized buildings and equipment are worth more than their land. We’d untax them.)</p></blockquote>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t advocate untaxing buildings.  I was responding to an idea in the context that real estate taxes would be a two-tiered system where one tier would be the traditional and another tier a tax on unused land.  My point was that if there was to be a two tiered system, I would prefer the second tier not single out speculation, but be applied evenly.</p>
<blockquote><p>I suspect many people aspire to a little house in the suburbs with a lawn and a picket fence … but if we could offer them a modern, affordable home close to their work in a school district they had confidence in, many of them would trade the house and the commute for it. We ought to offer them the option … and it seems to me that Land Value Taxation is the only way we’re going to get there. LVT can lower the selling price of the land, which is a huge component of why urban housing is so expensive.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since I have you here, can you please explain the main ways LVT encourages urban land usage as opposed to suburban sprawl?  It seems it would encourage compactness, but I&#8217;d like to better understand the mechanisms.  Thanks. </p>
<blockquote><p>Yes, the land rent would be an ongoing cost, but it would be instead of the taxes on buildings and sales and wages, instead of a supplement to them, as it is now.</p></blockquote>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve learned so far, I think I would support an LVT if (and only if) it replaces those other taxes.  Unfortunately, the political likelihood seems very close to zero.</p>
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		<title>By: LVTfan</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2009/01/22/taxing-land-speculation/#comment-4020</link>
		<dc:creator>LVTfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tax debt could accumulate as a lien against the property.  Bill Batt proposed this as a solution to the &quot;poor widow&quot; problem.  See http://www.wealthandwant.com/docs/unindexed/Batt_poor_widow_solution.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tax debt could accumulate as a lien against the property.  Bill Batt proposed this as a solution to the &#8220;poor widow&#8221; problem.  See <a href="http://www.wealthandwant.com/docs/unindexed/Batt_poor_widow_solution.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.wealthandwant.com/docs/unindexed/Batt_poor_widow_solution.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: lvtfan</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2009/01/22/taxing-land-speculation/#comment-8779</link>
		<dc:creator>lvtfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tax debt could accumulate as a lien against the property.  Bill Batt proposed this as a solution to the &quot;poor widow&quot; problem.  See http://www.wealthandwant.com/docs/unindexed/Batt_poor_widow_solution.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tax debt could accumulate as a lien against the property.  Bill Batt proposed this as a solution to the &#8220;poor widow&#8221; problem.  See <a href="http://www.wealthandwant.com/docs/unindexed/Batt_poor_widow_solution.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.wealthandwant.com/docs/unindexed/Batt_poor_widow_solution.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: LVTfan</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2009/01/22/taxing-land-speculation/#comment-4019</link>
		<dc:creator>LVTfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and that could be a fine thing in the city, where we already have the infrastructure in place.  What was once a single family home gets chopped up into 4 rentals, and then gets replaced by a set of townhouses which house several families, who share the land rent.  And since we reduce or even eliminate our annual penalty for their building, they might use better technologies: more modern furnaces, better insulation, solar, geo-thermal; waterheaters closer to the spigots, to waste less water, etc. ... which today we penalize them for.   So the incentives would be to build for more users ... and that means landholders competing for our business as tenants or buyers ... which brings down the price.  Seems like a win-win-win to me. (Except for the land speculators, who no longer have a business, but, since they don&#039;t contribute anything useful to their community, I won&#039;t miss them!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and that could be a fine thing in the city, where we already have the infrastructure in place.  What was once a single family home gets chopped up into 4 rentals, and then gets replaced by a set of townhouses which house several families, who share the land rent.  And since we reduce or even eliminate our annual penalty for their building, they might use better technologies: more modern furnaces, better insulation, solar, geo-thermal; waterheaters closer to the spigots, to waste less water, etc. &#8230; which today we penalize them for.   So the incentives would be to build for more users &#8230; and that means landholders competing for our business as tenants or buyers &#8230; which brings down the price.  Seems like a win-win-win to me. (Except for the land speculators, who no longer have a business, but, since they don&#8217;t contribute anything useful to their community, I won&#8217;t miss them!)</p>
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