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		<title>By: Market Urbanism</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/09/12/another-on-conservatives-and-urbanism/#comment-1326</link>
		<dc:creator>Market Urbanism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think low density is &lt;i&gt;inherently&lt;/i&gt; a bad thing.  I personally prefer density, but I don&#039;t want to hamper one&#039;s ability to live in low density.  Low density makes perfect sense for many professions and lifestyles.  However, I don&#039;t want to subsidize that lifestyle, or any lifestyle for that matter.

You bring up interesting points:  While on one hand subsidizing transportation and home ownership has encouraged sprawl, it has also discouraged innovation in transportation and housing.  Innovations that may have sprung up from a free market may have resulted in hyper-efficient transportation choices that made travel distances negligible.  In such a case, sprawl would probably be much broader.  But, in balance, probably a good thing for affordability and efficiency. 

&lt;i&gt;Incidentally, if you think that “progressive environmentalists” are well-intentioned, then keep in mind that Green Party candidate for President is Cynthia “The-American-Govt-plotted-9/11-and-Jews-control-Congress” McKinney. Good thing the Greens are not evil-intentioned…&lt;/i&gt;

I truly think that parts of environmentalism is well intentioned.  However, there are opportunists at the core.  Some want power.  Some want to sell books or movies.  Some have a Marxist agenda and actually care little for the environment.  They all fight to take advantage of the naive, big-hearted volunteers and activists who really just want to be part of something positive and make a difference in the world.  That exploitation is the evil...
Much of mainstream environmentalism must be good intentioned - such as recycling, green buildings, and hybrid cars.  Sure, some could argue those things are a silly waste of time or money.  But, people must be &quot;wasting&quot; their money with good intentions, or why else would they do it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think low density is <i>inherently</i> a bad thing.  I personally prefer density, but I don&#8217;t want to hamper one&#8217;s ability to live in low density.  Low density makes perfect sense for many professions and lifestyles.  However, I don&#8217;t want to subsidize that lifestyle, or any lifestyle for that matter.</p>
<p>You bring up interesting points:  While on one hand subsidizing transportation and home ownership has encouraged sprawl, it has also discouraged innovation in transportation and housing.  Innovations that may have sprung up from a free market may have resulted in hyper-efficient transportation choices that made travel distances negligible.  In such a case, sprawl would probably be much broader.  But, in balance, probably a good thing for affordability and efficiency. </p>
<p><i>Incidentally, if you think that “progressive environmentalists” are well-intentioned, then keep in mind that Green Party candidate for President is Cynthia “The-American-Govt-plotted-9/11-and-Jews-control-Congress” McKinney. Good thing the Greens are not evil-intentioned…</i></p>
<p>I truly think that parts of environmentalism is well intentioned.  However, there are opportunists at the core.  Some want power.  Some want to sell books or movies.  Some have a Marxist agenda and actually care little for the environment.  They all fight to take advantage of the naive, big-hearted volunteers and activists who really just want to be part of something positive and make a difference in the world.  That exploitation is the evil&#8230;<br />
Much of mainstream environmentalism must be good intentioned &#8211; such as recycling, green buildings, and hybrid cars.  Sure, some could argue those things are a silly waste of time or money.  But, people must be &#8220;wasting&#8221; their money with good intentions, or why else would they do it?</p>
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		<title>By: MarketUrbanism</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/09/12/another-on-conservatives-and-urbanism/#comment-8560</link>
		<dc:creator>MarketUrbanism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think low density is &lt;i&gt;inherently&lt;/i&gt; a bad thing.  I personally prefer density, but I don&#039;t want to hamper one&#039;s ability to live in low density.  Low density makes perfect sense for many professions and lifestyles.  However, I don&#039;t want to subsidize that lifestyle, or any lifestyle for that matter.

You bring up interesting points:  While on one hand subsidizing transportation and home ownership has encouraged sprawl, it has also discouraged innovation in transportation and housing.  Innovations that may have sprung up from a free market may have resulted in hyper-efficient transportation choices that made travel distances negligible.  In such a case, sprawl would probably be much broader.  But, in balance, probably a good thing for affordability and efficiency. 

&lt;i&gt;Incidentally, if you think that “progressive environmentalists” are well-intentioned, then keep in mind that Green Party candidate for President is Cynthia “The-American-Govt-plotted-9/11-and-Jews-control-Congress” McKinney. Good thing the Greens are not evil-intentioned…&lt;/i&gt;

I truly think that parts of environmentalism is well intentioned.  However, there are opportunists at the core.  Some want power.  Some want to sell books or movies.  Some have a Marxist agenda and actually care little for the environment.  They all fight to take advantage of the naive, big-hearted volunteers and activists who really just want to be part of something positive and make a difference in the world.  That exploitation is the evil...
Much of mainstream environmentalism must be good intentioned - such as recycling, green buildings, and hybrid cars.  Sure, some could argue those things are a silly waste of time or money.  But, people must be &quot;wasting&quot; their money with good intentions, or why else would they do it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think low density is <i>inherently</i> a bad thing.  I personally prefer density, but I don&#8217;t want to hamper one&#8217;s ability to live in low density.  Low density makes perfect sense for many professions and lifestyles.  However, I don&#8217;t want to subsidize that lifestyle, or any lifestyle for that matter.</p>
<p>You bring up interesting points:  While on one hand subsidizing transportation and home ownership has encouraged sprawl, it has also discouraged innovation in transportation and housing.  Innovations that may have sprung up from a free market may have resulted in hyper-efficient transportation choices that made travel distances negligible.  In such a case, sprawl would probably be much broader.  But, in balance, probably a good thing for affordability and efficiency. </p>
<p><i>Incidentally, if you think that “progressive environmentalists” are well-intentioned, then keep in mind that Green Party candidate for President is Cynthia “The-American-Govt-plotted-9/11-and-Jews-control-Congress” McKinney. Good thing the Greens are not evil-intentioned…</i></p>
<p>I truly think that parts of environmentalism is well intentioned.  However, there are opportunists at the core.  Some want power.  Some want to sell books or movies.  Some have a Marxist agenda and actually care little for the environment.  They all fight to take advantage of the naive, big-hearted volunteers and activists who really just want to be part of something positive and make a difference in the world.  That exploitation is the evil&#8230;<br />
Much of mainstream environmentalism must be good intentioned &#8211; such as recycling, green buildings, and hybrid cars.  Sure, some could argue those things are a silly waste of time or money.  But, people must be &#8220;wasting&#8221; their money with good intentions, or why else would they do it?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Nelson</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/09/12/another-on-conservatives-and-urbanism/#comment-1320</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still fail to understand why low densities are inherently a bad thing. 

If it&#039;s a matter of low densities being a drain on the taxpayer, then one could also say that education, sanitation, police, fire protection, and every other government-controlled activity is a drain on the taxpayer.

Ideally, private markets would dictate &lt;i&gt;optimal&lt;/i&gt; levels of these services, as well as optimal &lt;i&gt;densities&lt;/i&gt; -- which would be a mix of very low densities, very high densities, and everything in between. But the claim of &quot;sprawl = waste&quot; (in addition to using that needlessly loaded word) is the same as &quot;police guns = waste&quot;. 

Perhaps in a world of private urbanism, we would all be living in 75-story high rises like a hyper-Upper East Side (and without low-density Central Park nearby).

Or, perhaps we would live in a world of 20-lane highways and two-acre lots everywhere.

But most likely: When the government gets out of the way, the urban future might very well resemble today&#039;s technology as seen from the 1960s; i.e., something that has not been invented yet, and which no single person alive today can even imagine.

Incidentally, if you think that &quot;progressive environmentalists&quot; are well-intentioned, then keep in mind that Green Party candidate for President is Cynthia &quot;The-American-Govt-plotted-9/11-and-Jews-control-Congress&quot; McKinney. Good thing the Greens are not evil-intentioned...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still fail to understand why low densities are inherently a bad thing. </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s a matter of low densities being a drain on the taxpayer, then one could also say that education, sanitation, police, fire protection, and every other government-controlled activity is a drain on the taxpayer.</p>
<p>Ideally, private markets would dictate <i>optimal</i> levels of these services, as well as optimal <i>densities</i> &#8212; which would be a mix of very low densities, very high densities, and everything in between. But the claim of &#8220;sprawl = waste&#8221; (in addition to using that needlessly loaded word) is the same as &#8220;police guns = waste&#8221;. </p>
<p>Perhaps in a world of private urbanism, we would all be living in 75-story high rises like a hyper-Upper East Side (and without low-density Central Park nearby).</p>
<p>Or, perhaps we would live in a world of 20-lane highways and two-acre lots everywhere.</p>
<p>But most likely: When the government gets out of the way, the urban future might very well resemble today&#8217;s technology as seen from the 1960s; i.e., something that has not been invented yet, and which no single person alive today can even imagine.</p>
<p>Incidentally, if you think that &#8220;progressive environmentalists&#8221; are well-intentioned, then keep in mind that Green Party candidate for President is Cynthia &#8220;The-American-Govt-plotted-9/11-and-Jews-control-Congress&#8221; McKinney. Good thing the Greens are not evil-intentioned&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Nelson</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/09/12/another-on-conservatives-and-urbanism/#comment-8559</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still fail to understand why low densities are inherently a bad thing. 

If it&#039;s a matter of low densities being a drain on the taxpayer, then one could also say that education, sanitation, police, fire protection, and every other government-controlled activity is a drain on the taxpayer.

Ideally, private markets would dictate &lt;i&gt;optimal&lt;/i&gt; levels of these services, as well as optimal &lt;i&gt;densities&lt;/i&gt; -- which would be a mix of very low densities, very high densities, and everything in between. But the claim of &quot;sprawl = waste&quot; (in addition to using that needlessly loaded word) is the same as &quot;police guns = waste&quot;. 

Perhaps in a world of private urbanism, we would all be living in 75-story high rises like a hyper-Upper East Side (and without low-density Central Park nearby).

Or, perhaps we would live in a world of 20-lane highways and two-acre lots everywhere.

But most likely: When the government gets out of the way, the urban future might very well resemble today&#039;s technology as seen from the 1960s; i.e., something that has not been invented yet, and which no single person alive today can even imagine.

Incidentally, if you think that &quot;progressive environmentalists&quot; are well-intentioned, then keep in mind that Green Party candidate for President is Cynthia &quot;The-American-Govt-plotted-9/11-and-Jews-control-Congress&quot; McKinney. Good thing the Greens are not evil-intentioned...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still fail to understand why low densities are inherently a bad thing. </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s a matter of low densities being a drain on the taxpayer, then one could also say that education, sanitation, police, fire protection, and every other government-controlled activity is a drain on the taxpayer.</p>
<p>Ideally, private markets would dictate <i>optimal</i> levels of these services, as well as optimal <i>densities</i> &#8212; which would be a mix of very low densities, very high densities, and everything in between. But the claim of &#8220;sprawl = waste&#8221; (in addition to using that needlessly loaded word) is the same as &#8220;police guns = waste&#8221;. </p>
<p>Perhaps in a world of private urbanism, we would all be living in 75-story high rises like a hyper-Upper East Side (and without low-density Central Park nearby).</p>
<p>Or, perhaps we would live in a world of 20-lane highways and two-acre lots everywhere.</p>
<p>But most likely: When the government gets out of the way, the urban future might very well resemble today&#8217;s technology as seen from the 1960s; i.e., something that has not been invented yet, and which no single person alive today can even imagine.</p>
<p>Incidentally, if you think that &#8220;progressive environmentalists&#8221; are well-intentioned, then keep in mind that Green Party candidate for President is Cynthia &#8220;The-American-Govt-plotted-9/11-and-Jews-control-Congress&#8221; McKinney. Good thing the Greens are not evil-intentioned&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Market Urbanism</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/09/12/another-on-conservatives-and-urbanism/#comment-1318</link>
		<dc:creator>Market Urbanism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Stephen,
I regularly read your feed, but I somehow missed that.  You make great points, and I&#039;ll link to some of your thoughts on the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Stephen,<br />
I regularly read your feed, but I somehow missed that.  You make great points, and I&#8217;ll link to some of your thoughts on the article.</p>
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		<title>By: MarketUrbanism</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/09/12/another-on-conservatives-and-urbanism/#comment-8558</link>
		<dc:creator>MarketUrbanism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Stephen,
I regularly read your feed, but I somehow missed that.  You make great points, and I&#039;ll link to some of your thoughts on the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Stephen,<br />
I regularly read your feed, but I somehow missed that.  You make great points, and I&#8217;ll link to some of your thoughts on the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Smith</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/09/12/another-on-conservatives-and-urbanism/#comment-1317</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote about this &lt;a href=&quot;http://rationalitate.blogspot.com/2008/09/american-prospects-pathetically-limited.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my own blog&lt;/a&gt;, and concluded that the American Prospect left out the most compelling conservative argument for urbanism: our current suburban form is driven mainly by zoning regulations and minimum parking requirements, both of which go against the traditional conservative stance on protecting property rights.  Of course, the fact that they didn&#039;t mention it could just be a sign of how far conservatism has strayed from its roots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote about this <a href="http://rationalitate.blogspot.com/2008/09/american-prospects-pathetically-limited.html" rel="nofollow">my own blog</a>, and concluded that the American Prospect left out the most compelling conservative argument for urbanism: our current suburban form is driven mainly by zoning regulations and minimum parking requirements, both of which go against the traditional conservative stance on protecting property rights.  Of course, the fact that they didn&#8217;t mention it could just be a sign of how far conservatism has strayed from its roots.</p>
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		<title>By: Rationalitate</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/09/12/another-on-conservatives-and-urbanism/#comment-8557</link>
		<dc:creator>Rationalitate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote about this &lt;a href=&quot;http://rationalitate.blogspot.com/2008/09/american-prospects-pathetically-limited.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my own blog&lt;/a&gt;, and concluded that the American Prospect left out the most compelling conservative argument for urbanism: our current suburban form is driven mainly by zoning regulations and minimum parking requirements, both of which go against the traditional conservative stance on protecting property rights.  Of course, the fact that they didn&#039;t mention it could just be a sign of how far conservatism has strayed from its roots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote about this <a href="http://rationalitate.blogspot.com/2008/09/american-prospects-pathetically-limited.html" rel="nofollow">my own blog</a>, and concluded that the American Prospect left out the most compelling conservative argument for urbanism: our current suburban form is driven mainly by zoning regulations and minimum parking requirements, both of which go against the traditional conservative stance on protecting property rights.  Of course, the fact that they didn&#8217;t mention it could just be a sign of how far conservatism has strayed from its roots.</p>
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