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	<title>Comments on: Bribery for Property Rights: Federal Charges in Chicago</title>
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		<title>By: Market Urbanism</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Market Urbanism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it&#039;s a second-best option, but would worry it gives too much incentive to downzone, or would add costs to projects that are already &#039;as-of-right&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it&#8217;s a second-best option, but would worry it gives too much incentive to downzone, or would add costs to projects that are already &#8216;as-of-right&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Smith</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 06:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a second-best option – the best option would be to get rid of the zoning boards to begin with.  It would be a pretty radical shift to start thinking of the zoning board as a profit-making entity, and it would be pretty difficult to keep the boards insulated from NIMBY neighbors.  So it&#039;s not very realistic, but it would definitely be better than the current system, where you have to have strong personal connections (usually that&#039;s what it takes to bribe someone) to push your projects through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a second-best option – the best option would be to get rid of the zoning boards to begin with.  It would be a pretty radical shift to start thinking of the zoning board as a profit-making entity, and it would be pretty difficult to keep the boards insulated from NIMBY neighbors.  So it&#8217;s not very realistic, but it would definitely be better than the current system, where you have to have strong personal connections (usually that&#8217;s what it takes to bribe someone) to push your projects through.</p>
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		<title>By: Market Urbanism</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Market Urbanism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 13:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t you, in effect, saying that the development rights belong to the municipality until they are bought by the developer?
How would the market price be decided? Would every cubic foot of development rights be for sale?  To anyone, or just the owner of the ground?

It would lead to some sort of monopoly-monopoly interaction between the property owner who has a monopoly on the ground and the municipality who has a monopoly on the air.

How wouldn&#039;t it give the municipality the incentive to downzone, in order the sell more rights?  Shouldn&#039;t the municipality be forced to pay for all unused air-rights for less dense development?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t you, in effect, saying that the development rights belong to the municipality until they are bought by the developer?<br />
How would the market price be decided? Would every cubic foot of development rights be for sale?  To anyone, or just the owner of the ground?</p>
<p>It would lead to some sort of monopoly-monopoly interaction between the property owner who has a monopoly on the ground and the municipality who has a monopoly on the air.</p>
<p>How wouldn&#8217;t it give the municipality the incentive to downzone, in order the sell more rights?  Shouldn&#8217;t the municipality be forced to pay for all unused air-rights for less dense development?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Smith</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 06:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why zoning boards ought to accept cash payments for the changing of zoning laws.  Jonathan Levine describes something like that in his book Zoned Out as an example of Coasean endowment-irrelevance with regards to zoning rights.  If zoning rights are tradable (and municipalities act like private corporations, which is a big if), then it shouldn&#039;t matter what the initial zoning regulations are, since any business will be willing to bid up to the total value of their producer surplus to have the rights changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why zoning boards ought to accept cash payments for the changing of zoning laws.  Jonathan Levine describes something like that in his book Zoned Out as an example of Coasean endowment-irrelevance with regards to zoning rights.  If zoning rights are tradable (and municipalities act like private corporations, which is a big if), then it shouldn&#8217;t matter what the initial zoning regulations are, since any business will be willing to bid up to the total value of their producer surplus to have the rights changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Market Urbanism</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Market Urbanism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would rename the posts: &quot;Inconspicuous Excise Fee for Alternative Zoning&quot; for Property Rights:.... 
But it gets too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rename the posts: &#8220;Inconspicuous Excise Fee for Alternative Zoning&#8221; for Property Rights:&#8230;.<br />
But it gets too long.</p>
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		<title>By: Market Urbanism</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Market Urbanism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HA!  It&#039;s funny &#039;cuz it&#039;s true.  It&#039;s like gambling.  The state controls it.  So, they have a monopoly selling the limited number of permits.  And there&#039;s big tax money to be made by gambling.

The black market dealers are the lobbyists and Tony Rezkos of the world....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA!  It&#8217;s funny &#8216;cuz it&#8217;s true.  It&#8217;s like gambling.  The state controls it.  So, they have a monopoly selling the limited number of permits.  And there&#8217;s big tax money to be made by gambling.</p>
<p>The black market dealers are the lobbyists and Tony Rezkos of the world&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: DBM</title>
		<link>http://marketurbanism.com/2008/05/22/bribery-for-property-rights-federal-charges-in-chicago/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>DBM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a black market for cars, cigarettes, and rent-controlled apartments, why not for zoning, right....???

And isn&#039;t bribery too ugly of a term?  Maybe they should just call it something like &quot;Inconspicuous Excise Fee for Alternative Zoning.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a black market for cars, cigarettes, and rent-controlled apartments, why not for zoning, right&#8230;.???</p>
<p>And isn&#8217;t bribery too ugly of a term?  Maybe they should just call it something like &#8220;Inconspicuous Excise Fee for Alternative Zoning.&#8221;</p>
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